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[Full recording of the Dean Lisa Ordóñez interview][1]. CC BYNC 4.0 Lisa Ordóñez, Aanvi Jhaveri, and Estefania Perez. The Dean talks about her experience as a financially poor student and how difficult it was for her to pay for course materials and how there were times she didn't buy the book. She also discusses how she posts her own class notes, and creates materials, and finds free alternatives to ensure all her students have access to the material and can be successful. Dean Ordóñez suggests that they should tell, "the instructors precisely how much their students are paying for their book, and showing them alternatives and helping them find some options that may be allow them to do it, and maybe you know some other incentives of celebrating those faculty who do this and finding incentives for getting them to at least try." "listen to the students!" [1]: